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written by Tomas M. 2 years ago People usually tend to believe in many irrational things. When I was young, I believed that there is some kind of energy, called soul, which separates from our bodies when we die. I believed that after we die, our soul (our consciousness) lives forever.
I have no idea if that happens or not, but since it is not possible to find out the answer, I don't believe it anymore. We simply don't know what happens when we die. The most probable thing is that we switch to exactly the same state we were in, before we were born. But perhaps it is the best to leave the question unanswered, until we find a method how to answer it with a reasonable certainty.
Anyway, if I were told at that age to believe that killing infidels in the name of my god would transfer my soul to some martyrs heaven, where 72 virgins wait for me, I would believe that too.
I am happy I realized one important fact: it is not a virtue to have faith. It is not a virtue to believe in something just because you were told so. Believing without reason is ridiculous, AND IT IS WRONG.
That's the main reason I declaim against all religions of all kinds. Faith is not a virtue, it's just infantility. 
[1] kaiomatico wrote 2 years ago:
if my religion-teacher would meet you Tomas i think it would be the most happy moment in my life :D with all your post i agree so damn much!
i have the same opinion to religion as you :)
(and i love your work with slax by the was :) but it would be nice to know when there is something like a release-cycle... because if you would update to the current tree or build in slapt-get or slackroll we would have a nice kde4 desktop,wouldn't we?
and some people claimed that they wanted to have a 64 bit release> it wouldn't be so hard now scince the oficial slackware tree got also 64 bit among the normal i486 now too
(i am not interested in it scince i only have an i686 in my iMac and no 64 bit, but i think you would have made many people happy^^)
so i hope you was able to understand my poor english :D at least it is a grade 2 in school :D
just my 2 cents ;) [2] Concerned wrote 2 years ago:
Not all religions were created equal. If you look to the right places, you will find the logic and reason that you are missing. Take a look at Ligonier Ministries (www.ligonier.org) and you may be surprised by what you find.
Many people past, present, and future have used religion as a reason for doing things that are completely counter to their tenets and teachings. Those people do not act by the direction of God but by their own interests and desires. They use and deceive people into doing what they wish by twisting religion into being what they want it to be.
You cannot and must not suspend reason to take up a belief system. Unfortunately, that is just what you do when you deny all religions. Look around you and think about what you see. Look at the structure of a plant and think about what it takes to construct it. Think like a computer scientist and consider what it takes to build even a simple system and have it function.
I know my wording here is not very eloquent and more clumsy than it should be. I challenge you to think about what you are saying. A simple lack of evidence for something does not mean that it is not truth. There is also a complete lack of evidence against your premise. If we do not have a way to gather evidence for a premise we also do not have a means of gathering evidence for that premise.
In the end, our entire basis of reality is little more than a house of cards built on nothing. Without faith in things that we have no way to prove or disprove, the entirety of logic and reason would come crashing down around us. So be careful when you say faith is not a virtue. Faith is a requirement to live any form of sane life. Ask yourself, why do you believe anything? What have you proven yourself? How can you know that you've proven anything? How can you trust your own mind? (Just don't go to far, that way lies madness)
[3] Tomas M wrote 2 years ago:
I look around myself very often, and I am amazed when I see the beauty of nature and the universe. But even if we can't explain how it has been created, does it mean there must be a god? No, of course. [4] dimitrij wrote 2 years ago:
"But even if we can't explain how it has been created, does it mean there must be a god? No, of course."
But it can be! For myself I have to construct something out there to hold everything, or I could go insane. But I'm putting a big "?" at it and don't tell people to believe my shit. I also don't have the time to explore it scientifically, so it's just my own "religion" that makes my brain happy.
As concerned said, I don't think religions tell to kill people, or better they were not invented to do so. It's just some crazy mind's interpretation and people believing instead of making their own interpretations. [5] Dude wrote 2 years ago:
@Tomas
I think you are confusing religious faith with the concept of faith itself.
Let me start by telling you I'm an atheist.
That being said, I have faith in some people.
Not many: mostly immediate family members and very close fiends.
I mean: if a cop knocked on my door and told by my brother was a murderer and showed evidence of that statement, my reaction would be "No way! There MUST be some other explanation!"
Why? Because I know my brother and he would never do that.
It's not like I have proof that he wouldn't do it... it's just faith.
I don't think the lack of faith is a good thing.
I'm willing to bet you have the some sort of faith in some people (ie: your wife).
Answer me this: if 20 people told you your wife was cheating on you... would you believe them? Or would you have faith in your wife's love for you and "know" that she would never do that? [6] SKEPTIC_SLAX_USER wrote 2 years ago:
@TOMAS,
I am Catholic person, and I agree with you. You are right. I have a problem with the The Creed, the one that says that Christ was here when God created the world. I think that is plain BULLSHIT. I can't believe that, I cannot accept it, yes I go to church because I am programmed or was brought up that way, but I don't believe everything that they tell me. Thank you for letting me know your beliefs, because I share some of them with you. Continued success with Slax. Hope all is well.
@DUDE,
someone can say that his wife was cheating on him and he can have all the faith of the world, but if she truly is cheating on him, then all the faith does not matter because she is still doing it and whatever religion, faith or there is in him that all goes to /dev/null. There is no WAY in the world that you can't believe he/she did this, ANYONE can do anything, including CHEATING, MURDER, THEFT, .... [7] Dude wrote 2 years ago:
@SKEPTIC_SLAX_USER,
First: in my "cheating wife" example it does not matter if she was really cheating or not. The point was whether or not you believe in your wife's innocence regardless of the proof presented to you (I ask the same to you, if you have a wife, or the brother example if you have one).
Of course they could actually be guilty, but that was not my question.
Second: you, me and Tomas were made christians by our parents. It's not like we had any choice in the matter.
But now that we do, you still go to church although you say you don't believe in that church anymore... why is that? You can choose not to go, yet you still call yourself a Catholic. [8] Dude wrote 2 years ago:
@SKEPTIC_SLAX_USER,
Again: I didn't asked if it is possible or not for your wife to cheat on you. I just asked if you if someone told you she did, would you believe that person(s) or your wife?
It's a simple question.
Answer 1) I would believe my wife.
Answer 2) I would believe the accuser(s).
Just pick one. No explanation.
I already know it is possible for anyone to do anything, but that's not what I asked you. [9] SKEPTIC_SLAX_USER wrote 2 years ago:
1) First I would believe my wife because I have to give her the benefit of the doubt. But there's something within that tells you what you need to know.
Is that ok. Explanation good or bad? [10] Dude wrote 2 years ago:
@SKEPTIC_SLAX_USER,
There is no need to explain.
You either have faith in your wife or you don't, regardless of what proof or lack of proof other people claim to have.
Your answer only tells me that you have faith in her.
Like I said, I have faith in some people, not faith in supernatural beings... not it's faith nonetheless.
My point is: "Faith" as a concept, is not bad.
In my humble opinion. [11] piszczyk^3 wrote 2 years ago:
Is it like some symbols in mathematics? 0 or infinity for example. No-one has to convince you, they DON'T exist. But some kind of faith in them makes life easier for scientists, engineers... [12] A wise philosopher wrote 2 years ago:
We all "believe" in something whether you choose to think that or not. As there are things we can't prove i.e life after death, therefore we either choose to believe in it or not.
There are theories which can't be proven yet many people spend time trying to prove or disprove them, they wouldn't do that if they did not "believe" those theories to be right or wrong.
The wright brothers believed it was possible to fly many did not.
These people who sought to prove/disprove a theory had "faith" in themselves that they were correct regardless of what came of it, some may have been right others may have been wrong, but it is this drive that defines who we are and without that we are nothing.
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